Car sometimes not turning over

[tenpole]

Like that is it.

[Capncol]

It's fiddly. You have to do it more by feel

[tenpole]

Oh great, its winter outside. Cold hands tend to loose feeling let alone sensitivity.

[Capncol]

3 bolts hold it on, 2 in one direction and one in the other way. 2wires to disconnect from solonoid. Don't forget to use the correct battery removal method

[Capncol]

I take the battery and air filter housing out, then remove starter reaching in from the top, and pull it out through the space you have made by removing battery

[tmarsh1970@gmail.com]

Hi, first time poster, longer time lurker trying to pay a bit back.

I had exactly this problem and after checking on this site, ended up replacing the starter motor (SM) last week. The good news is, it fixed the problem, less good news is the guidance on here did not seem to apply to my car (or I misunderstood it). Mine is a 2004 2.0l (allure / azure?!), so I don't know if previous guidance was specific to 1.6l.

I ended up removing: -
- battery and housing
- air filter housing and ducting
- radiator hoses to engine casing

i have photos!

Even after doing that, extraction of the SM was not easy (i don't think i could have done it without removing the radiator hoses).

The three bolts all came out on the same side but I also had to unbolt the starter motor plunger (sorry if this is the wrong terminology) to allow the SM bolt to be extracted.

The various wires to the SM are affixed to the framework and need to be prised off to allow movement of the SM to access the bolts at the end. Undo them and extract the SM.

Replacement is obviously the reverse of the above, but my one top tip is to the have a ratchet spanner with a pivoted end to tighten the bolt holding the battery cable once the SM is in place.

I replaced the sparkplugs at the same time (i'd been meaning to that for a while anyway) and took the opportunity to drain / refill the radiator as it had already been partially drained. The whole job cost ~£85.

it is not technically difficult but it is physically tricky. Good luck.

Tim

[Capncol]

Yes you are right about the bolts all the same way.

[tenpole]

http://www.peugeot206cc.co.uk/viewtopic ... al#p112431 battery removal

[tenpole]

Same problem with my wife's 206cc 1.6 allure on a 54 plate (2004?)
Worked fine when cold but just clicked when hot, although it didn't draw heavy current when it wouldn't work so I think it could be a solenoid problem however the solenoid and starter are a single unit.
Checked round for prices and got prices between £350 and £140 fitted.
Decided to do it my self. if anybody else is interested please find method I used:
Bought New exchange starter Motor from GSF £58-00 + VAT.
TOOLS USED:
13,10 and 8 mm AF open ended / ring combination spanners.
Medium flat bladed screwdriver.
METHOD:
All work done from inside engine compartment, only time I had to go under car was to pick up dropped spanner!
1) Disconnect battery and remove from car.
2) Remove 3 screws in base of plastic battery box and remove from car, note clips on outside of box need to be opened to unclip batery cables also there is a 'clip on' vent tube on the bottom of the box.
3) For ease I undid the 2 Jubilee clips fastening the plastic ribbed air pipe from the filter to throttle body and twisted it out the way to give a bit more space.
4)Starter is nearly visible and is on the far side of the engine about 350mm below the throttle body.Starter is held by 3 bolts Using a 13mm spanner I unfastened the top fixing bolt. Head of bolt is on righthand side of clutch housing and is withdrawn towards passenger side wheel.
switching into gynacoligist mode I then managed to remove the other two bolts, these withdraw in the opposite direction and are lower down around the starter flange. The starter then slides off of a boss and is hung on the wires. ( In my case my shirt cuff and the two wires.)
5) Deft handling and a bit of blasphemy allowed me to manipulate the starter around so I could see the two wire connections to the unit. 13mm spanner removed the Main battery cable to the unit and an 8m spanner removed the smaller brown "energise me" wire.
6) A bit more questioning of the parentage of the starter and it quite easily came out between the engine and bulkhead past where the battery had sat.
7) Refitting is the reversal of above, ensure spring washers are used under nuts holding wires on, but don't overtighten. Tighten mounting bolts nice and tight so they won't work loose during use.

It took me about two hours to remove old unit and refit new one. If I knew then what I know now it would have probably taken little over an hour. Although knowing what I know now I would probably have asked my son to do it!
Total cost Starter £69.60 inc VAT + Swear Box £56-00 (5 pence per curse)
Hope this helps someone, it has been good therapy for me!

Found this as best guide for starter removal.

[tenpole]

I undid the starter motor bolts but had to give up for the night with the starter motor still connected to the wires. Looks like I need to jack up car to get underneath so I can see what I need to do to get the connections off. I had to try it after the car would not start this morning which greatly annoyed the wife. I really hate Peugeots. I will never get another one.

[tenpole]

Update: this was replaced the next day. I managed to kind of turn the starter so I could see what i was dealing with, then as stated remove the nuts with 8mm first and 13mm for the main. You cannot see what you are doing when removing the nuts.
I phoned up the breakers, first one wanted £35 (S&P Bobbing) and swore that was always the going rate for starter motors. Sure i could get one for £25 but the next breakers monkey farm in sheerness said £30. The wife wanted to go into town so I went to this one. I said what an effort it was to get off and the geezer said since I was an expert I could take it off. Which I did but I cut the small 8mm wire with my pliers rather than flaff about.
All installed pretty much quickly, one turn of the key to check it started, yep, ok use it tomorrow.

[GrandadMonkey]

Well done - inexpensive too. Do you still hate Pugs?

[tenpole]

Do I still hate pugs, well I hate the unreliability of them. It seems that every fault I read about in these forum also happens to mine. Heater resistor, light coming on on their own, water from somewhere on passenger foot-well, lumpy temperamental running and constant bulbs blowing.

As for the mechanics side of it I think it is modern cars that I hate. The engine is the wrong way round, there is no room in the engine bay, too much electrics for bad connections.

[Capncol]

[smug] ours has been really good for the 4years we have had it and it passed its MOT today [/smug]

[GrandadMonkey]

Yes Col, we've been lucky with ours too.