I've been looking at replacing the RD3 unit in my cc, which is 2006 55 plate 2.0 allure model.
First problem I've had is indentifying the loom type in the cc. From Pioneer info, it looks like it would be can bus for 2005 models bonwards but can't be sure, and doesn't indicate that this includes the cc. Does anyone have insider knowledge on loom type?
Second issue is what controls I'll actually lose. With the Sony adapter apparently all functionality is maintained, stalk and remote display as per RD3. With Pioneer, it seems that cd/radio info won't be updated on display, but all other trip computer functionality will be maintained. Can anyone confirm this?
Models I'm looking at are either Sony CDXGT828U or Pioneer DEHB700BT. If anyone has gone for either of these with a 55 plate cc onwards I'd be interested to know!
Cheers
Pioneer/Sony head unit cabling dilemma
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reap
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you need this.
http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_prod ... no=PC99X44
it will give you stalk controls,but wont work your display,at all.
hope this helps.
http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_prod ... no=PC99X44
it will give you stalk controls,but wont work your display,at all.
hope this helps.
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Doughnut
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Hello Reap,
And thanks very much for the info. I took a look at the link and it looks to be universal with an extra attachment for different types of head unit.
One thing I've noted from your earlier mail is the can bus which provides comms for the higher speed functions would I guess be connected in some shape or form to the display for trip computer purposes eg mpg etc? In that respect I've also been looking at the connects2 loom (DPGS-00x) that is dedicated to Sony units so that the display functionality is still supported. It has some sort of interface unit which I think the stalk/display tee's off. The head unit itself is fed via a separate Sony loom from the same interface. I downloaded a Connects2 pdf which appears to be an installation manual, so it looks like I'll be going for the Sony! I'll let you know how I get on as I will be getting hold of the hardware this week.
Thanks again for the info.
Cheers
And thanks very much for the info. I took a look at the link and it looks to be universal with an extra attachment for different types of head unit.
One thing I've noted from your earlier mail is the can bus which provides comms for the higher speed functions would I guess be connected in some shape or form to the display for trip computer purposes eg mpg etc? In that respect I've also been looking at the connects2 loom (DPGS-00x) that is dedicated to Sony units so that the display functionality is still supported. It has some sort of interface unit which I think the stalk/display tee's off. The head unit itself is fed via a separate Sony loom from the same interface. I downloaded a Connects2 pdf which appears to be an installation manual, so it looks like I'll be going for the Sony! I'll let you know how I get on as I will be getting hold of the hardware this week.
Thanks again for the info.
Cheers
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Doughnut
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Hello Reap,
I've gone for the Pioneer unit, and the CAD.PI.030 stalk adapter. The good news is that it works with the remote display and all functionality is maintained. CD and radio tracks are displayed as they would be with the original unit. All other audio functions are via the Pioneer display.
The bad news at the moment is that I can't get the speaker outputs to work! I've checked the individual speaker outputs coming out of the head unit and these are definitely present, but no sound when connected to the car's speakers. The car is fitted with the JBL system including subwoofer and I've got a feeling the internal amp has been disabled by the introduction of new looms - can't think of anything else!
Anybody have any thoughts?
Thanks in advance
I've gone for the Pioneer unit, and the CAD.PI.030 stalk adapter. The good news is that it works with the remote display and all functionality is maintained. CD and radio tracks are displayed as they would be with the original unit. All other audio functions are via the Pioneer display.
The bad news at the moment is that I can't get the speaker outputs to work! I've checked the individual speaker outputs coming out of the head unit and these are definitely present, but no sound when connected to the car's speakers. The car is fitted with the JBL system including subwoofer and I've got a feeling the internal amp has been disabled by the introduction of new looms - can't think of anything else!
Anybody have any thoughts?
Thanks in advance
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reap
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Doughnut
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Hello Reap,
Thought this may be the case but have some further info. Before Xmas I tried a sony head unit which did work with spaekers, but was not compatible with the stalk adapter (not high enough spec'd head unit ie didn't support ilink). The speaker cabling for the car "speaker" iso is the 4 pairs of cables, which do just plug into the new pioneer head unit directly. The only thing I've picked up on is that there are the same number of populated pins on the car's "power" iso as there is on the stalk adapter loom, but one of them doesn't line up. I may attempt to do a quick link of these to see if any sound does come out, but after that I'm out of ideas.
Also, the Peugeot manual has a woefully small amount of info on the jbl, which is a subwoofer with internal amp, and it is the amp which controls all the speakers in the car including its subwoofer so I would suspect the 4 pairs of speaker cables go direct to this from the back of the head unit and then get sorted out by the amp.
I'll give the wire link a go.
Thanks again for the info.
Thought this may be the case but have some further info. Before Xmas I tried a sony head unit which did work with spaekers, but was not compatible with the stalk adapter (not high enough spec'd head unit ie didn't support ilink). The speaker cabling for the car "speaker" iso is the 4 pairs of cables, which do just plug into the new pioneer head unit directly. The only thing I've picked up on is that there are the same number of populated pins on the car's "power" iso as there is on the stalk adapter loom, but one of them doesn't line up. I may attempt to do a quick link of these to see if any sound does come out, but after that I'm out of ideas.
Also, the Peugeot manual has a woefully small amount of info on the jbl, which is a subwoofer with internal amp, and it is the amp which controls all the speakers in the car including its subwoofer so I would suspect the 4 pairs of speaker cables go direct to this from the back of the head unit and then get sorted out by the amp.
I'll give the wire link a go.
Thanks again for the info.
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Doughnut
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Hello Reap,
Didn't get my facts quite right on last mail. There is an extra connection on the car's power iso connector that the stalk adapter's mating half doesn't have. I suspect this is the line which enables the JBL but having put a meter on it, it doesn't look like it would be pulled to 12V or 0V to enable. I don't have a way of extracting the pin at the moment to determine whether this is the actual function, but the plan would be to reconnect the RD3 then remove this pin temporarily to see if this is the case ie will the speakers switch off.
I think the van network is ok, since the stalk adapter is I think now part of that and I have control of the pioneer head unit via stalk control and can see track and radio information on the car's remote display.
Is there any way to get hold of the the wiring schematics for my model of cc? The only other option is to go to a car hifi specialist, but I'd rather keep the integrity of the cabling rather than cutting and crimping if at all possible.
Cheers
Didn't get my facts quite right on last mail. There is an extra connection on the car's power iso connector that the stalk adapter's mating half doesn't have. I suspect this is the line which enables the JBL but having put a meter on it, it doesn't look like it would be pulled to 12V or 0V to enable. I don't have a way of extracting the pin at the moment to determine whether this is the actual function, but the plan would be to reconnect the RD3 then remove this pin temporarily to see if this is the case ie will the speakers switch off.
I think the van network is ok, since the stalk adapter is I think now part of that and I have control of the pioneer head unit via stalk control and can see track and radio information on the car's remote display.
Is there any way to get hold of the the wiring schematics for my model of cc? The only other option is to go to a car hifi specialist, but I'd rather keep the integrity of the cabling rather than cutting and crimping if at all possible.
Cheers
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Doughnut
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Hello All
Have sorted out the problem and all kit now working perfectly. The problem was as I'd described previously in so far as sub woofer required enabling in some way. It was a case of connecting the remote terminal on the pioneer's own control loom. This comes disconnected, and is normally used for electric aerials, but also enables other "remote" equipment, so there was no need to butcher any cabling. That said, everything functions with the new head unit, specifically -
CD track info on car's display
Radio info on car's display
Full control of the head unit via stalk ie track change, volume, mute, power off etc
Stalk control of usb device - I have a cheap SD to USB adapter and the head unit recognised the card in it with no problem. This was a 4Gb card but haven't checked as to whether all tracks were available but played the ones it saw without issue
Bluetooth phone - no problems at all with SE W960i. In fact performs far better than sony head unit I tried last year which also had bluetooth support
Bluetooth audio - mp3 streaming no problem from phone, and track advance possible with stalk
Aux in - this is a straight input from any audio device via a head phone jack, but don't have anything connected
The only thing the set up doesn't give is track info for the last usb/bluetooth. Instead, the display shows the information that was last on eg cd or radio station.
Case closed!
Have sorted out the problem and all kit now working perfectly. The problem was as I'd described previously in so far as sub woofer required enabling in some way. It was a case of connecting the remote terminal on the pioneer's own control loom. This comes disconnected, and is normally used for electric aerials, but also enables other "remote" equipment, so there was no need to butcher any cabling. That said, everything functions with the new head unit, specifically -
CD track info on car's display
Radio info on car's display
Full control of the head unit via stalk ie track change, volume, mute, power off etc
Stalk control of usb device - I have a cheap SD to USB adapter and the head unit recognised the card in it with no problem. This was a 4Gb card but haven't checked as to whether all tracks were available but played the ones it saw without issue
Bluetooth phone - no problems at all with SE W960i. In fact performs far better than sony head unit I tried last year which also had bluetooth support
Bluetooth audio - mp3 streaming no problem from phone, and track advance possible with stalk
Aux in - this is a straight input from any audio device via a head phone jack, but don't have anything connected
The only thing the set up doesn't give is track info for the last usb/bluetooth. Instead, the display shows the information that was last on eg cd or radio station.
Case closed!
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Doughnut
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Thanks Reap,
I think display operation does come down to the type of adapter - the one I went for is from pioneer and a bit more expensive than other adapters so was a gamble, but got both this and head unit at a good price from incar express who were extremely helpful and offered to take it back if the install didn't work out.
Also, the pioneer head unit itself anhilates the RD3 in every respect and is a better match for the subwoofer so I would recommend this unit particularly if people want bluetooth connectivity for phone/audio.
Finally, I should also thank the audio installer at Halfords who put me on to the remote connection. I went in there to buy a loom to butcher so I could test iso connections but in the end didn't need to.
This is the only audio upgrade I plan on doing. A little while back I did look at some engine/brake upgrades as the car will be 3 years old next January, primarily to tweak up the bhp a little with some blueprinting, but from the outside leave the car looking standard. Was considering LAD motorsport but not getting a good feeling from the web searches. The other outfit I am looking at are Race Shack up in Tewkesbury who took part in the Campervan/Beetle Crisis series on Discovery and looks like a very nice set up.
I'd be interested if yourself or any of the other owners on the forum have gone down a similar route.
Thanks for the help!
I think display operation does come down to the type of adapter - the one I went for is from pioneer and a bit more expensive than other adapters so was a gamble, but got both this and head unit at a good price from incar express who were extremely helpful and offered to take it back if the install didn't work out.
Also, the pioneer head unit itself anhilates the RD3 in every respect and is a better match for the subwoofer so I would recommend this unit particularly if people want bluetooth connectivity for phone/audio.
Finally, I should also thank the audio installer at Halfords who put me on to the remote connection. I went in there to buy a loom to butcher so I could test iso connections but in the end didn't need to.
This is the only audio upgrade I plan on doing. A little while back I did look at some engine/brake upgrades as the car will be 3 years old next January, primarily to tweak up the bhp a little with some blueprinting, but from the outside leave the car looking standard. Was considering LAD motorsport but not getting a good feeling from the web searches. The other outfit I am looking at are Race Shack up in Tewkesbury who took part in the Campervan/Beetle Crisis series on Discovery and looks like a very nice set up.
I'd be interested if yourself or any of the other owners on the forum have gone down a similar route.
Thanks for the help!
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RobinC
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Hey there,
Just wondered how your ICE is doing? I've just bought a 206cc 06 plate allure, which has the JBL sub etc and thinking of changing it to a system like yours - just wondered if it all worked out fine in the end? In my last 206cc I always went for sony, but they don't have anything i like just now, I want Ipod and bluetooth, so the pioneer looks good... any advice gratefully rec'd.
Just wondered how your ICE is doing? I've just bought a 206cc 06 plate allure, which has the JBL sub etc and thinking of changing it to a system like yours - just wondered if it all worked out fine in the end? In my last 206cc I always went for sony, but they don't have anything i like just now, I want Ipod and bluetooth, so the pioneer looks good... any advice gratefully rec'd.
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Doughnut
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Hello Robin,
Working absolutely fine thanks. I'm particularly impressed with the bluetooth link for the phone as it supports hands free and also bluetooth stereo from the phone, and the stalk control allows hopping between tracks. The stalk adapter does support track info on the car's display so I managed to choose correctly. Sound via the jbl is excellent, far better than the stock system that was fitted to the car originally. Also the head unit supports colour change fo the display so orange can be selected to match the car's other displays.
Here's the link for the display adapter for Pioneers with IP Bus:
http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_prod ... o=CADPI030
I tend to use the usb card reading facility most on the pioneer most. Don't know if the model I went for is still available but what I've noticed is that the newer units don't support usb flash and this has to be added as an optional module, but you may be able to get the DEH-P700BT off Ebay.
Hope this helps.
Working absolutely fine thanks. I'm particularly impressed with the bluetooth link for the phone as it supports hands free and also bluetooth stereo from the phone, and the stalk control allows hopping between tracks. The stalk adapter does support track info on the car's display so I managed to choose correctly. Sound via the jbl is excellent, far better than the stock system that was fitted to the car originally. Also the head unit supports colour change fo the display so orange can be selected to match the car's other displays.
Here's the link for the display adapter for Pioneers with IP Bus:
http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/view_prod ... o=CADPI030
I tend to use the usb card reading facility most on the pioneer most. Don't know if the model I went for is still available but what I've noticed is that the newer units don't support usb flash and this has to be added as an optional module, but you may be able to get the DEH-P700BT off Ebay.
Hope this helps.
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RobinC
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Hey there,
Can i ask about the volume control, I couldn't get the pioneer for love or money, so i opted for and alpine unit, but the volume is too sensitive, there's a huge jump in volume between 3, 4 and five and is almost max at 10... the unit will go up to 30, considering sending it back and searching again for the pioneer...
Can i ask about the volume control, I couldn't get the pioneer for love or money, so i opted for and alpine unit, but the volume is too sensitive, there's a huge jump in volume between 3, 4 and five and is almost max at 10... the unit will go up to 30, considering sending it back and searching again for the pioneer...
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Doughnut
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